Exploring Mindfulness with Becca

Discover the transformative power of mindfulness with experienced practitioner Becca, who brings decades of holistic therapy wisdom to this illuminating conversation. Moving beyond the buzzword, learn what mindfulness really means and how it can revolutionise your daily life through simple yet powerful practices.

Becca shares her personal journey from struggling with stress and anxiety to finding lasting calm and joy through mindfulness. She reveals how taking just one mindful breath can break the cycle of stress reactions, leading to more thoughtful responses in challenging situations. From mindful breathing and eating to movement and self-compassion, discover practical techniques you can start using today.

Whether you're dealing with workplace stress, personal challenges, or simply seeking more peace in your daily life, this episode offers valuable insights for both beginners and experienced practitioners. Learn how simple practices like savouring your morning cup of tea can make a profound difference, and explore how mindfulness integrates with other wellness techniques like EFT tapping.

Ready to start your mindfulness journey? This episode provides the perfect starting point with accessible techniques and practical wisdom for bringing more awareness and calm into your everyday life.

Resources and links mentioned in the show:

Becca Reay's website: Livinglifemindfully.co.uk

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to Mindfulness

00:59 Becca's Journey into Mindfulness

03:15 Understanding Mindfulness

06:31 Practical Applications of Mindfulness

10:05 Mindfulness in Daily Life

12:30 Courses and Further Learning

26:30 Combining Mindfulness with EFT Tapping

30:52 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Thanks for listening.

Transcript

Mindfulness with Becca

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Welcome to Exploring Ways to Wellness. Today we're diving into mindfulness, a practice that's become quite a buzzword. But what does it really mean and how can it help us in our daily lives? I'm delighted to be joined by a wonderful guest who has discovered the transformative power of mindfulness for her own life.

Digging beneath the buzzword to a practice even recommended by the NHS in the UK, Becca will help us understand what mindfulness really is, how to get started and why something as simple as taking a single breath can make such a profound difference in our lives, as it has done in hers.

Let's join the conversation.  

[00:01:00] Welcome, Becca!

Sarah: I wonder if you could give us a bit of your background and how you got into mindfulness.

Rebecca: Okay, so my background goes back to when I trained as a beauty therapist in 1988. So I did, I was a beauty therapist for several years and then I had my own business. So, and then I trained in clinical aromatherapy, clinical reflexology. So I've always been involved in the alternative therapies, but way back then. In the nineties, early nineties, it wasn't seen as the, the norm as it is now.

It wasn't as accepted. So I felt, I felt like I was constantly fighting against, um, the tide a lot of the time. After that I went into education, teaching beauty therapy and holistic therapies and then it came to like, modern day 2019, and then I went into mindfulness and, um, the last couple of years into EFT tapping, so it's been a long, slow journey, but it's, I feel like I'm getting to where I [00:02:00] need to be right now.

Sarah: Yeah, that's really interesting that it kind of it came up so early on, but then there was this skepticism around it. And,

Rebecca: Yeah.

Sarah: people weren't kind of ready for it, do you think?

Rebecca: No, definitely not ready for it, especially, I mean, I live in Lincolnshire, so they used to say it's like 20 years behind London, um, probably still is, but that's, that's a bonus for me now. When I first found out about mindfulness, which was gosh, It must have been at least 20 years ago. I didn't even have any time for it either.

I didn't, there wasn't enough out there for it. There wasn't enough information.

And even for me, I thought that was a bit too woo woo. And I

am quite woo woo myself. So, I didn't have any time for it. And it wasn't until recently when I had, stuff going on in my life, work and personal stuff, that needed something extra.

And, and it just happened to be there at the right time and I'm a great believer in, things coming up at the right [00:03:00] time and you being in the right place.  

Sarah: You're almost not open to things as much are you when you don't need them?

Rebecca: You're not ready for it, are you? You're very closed minded.

Sarah: that's it. Exactly. let's just dive in for a minute. I mentioned at the start that it's almost become a bit of a buzzword, but actually, mindfulness is something quite specific, isn't it? So could you just talk us through what's involved? Yeah.

Rebecca: we're just not, we're just thinking about everything. We're worrying about stuff, we're planning stuff. And we're not connecting the mind and body [00:04:00] together. So, we don't We may think, oh, I'm okay, but actually the body's saying, do you know what, you're really stressed, but you're not taking any notice because you're not even connecting the two mind and body together.

And so it's all about, just being in the moment and just being in the, and it sounds, this is a bit where it goes a bit too much for some people. They go, you know, you've got to be in the moment, you've got to be in the now, you've got to sit there for hours on end. But you don't. You literally have to just take a breath.

Literally take a moment. So don't react to situations. Respond to them. So if I give you an example like, if you get an email from work and it's triggered you, it's annoyed you, instead of actually replying straight away, reacting to it, letting your emotions take over. You need to just sit back, literally sit back and take one breath.

And that breath breaks that cycle of the emotional connection. And [00:05:00] you can then think about it a little bit more, read it again. And you suddenly go, Oh, actually, maybe that didn't mean that. And then you respond in a different way. And because you responded in a different way. You feel better because you haven't got that angst, that anxiety, and that worry.

And then the impact of you actually responding in a more calmer way will have an impact on the person it's been received by. Do you see what I mean? So it's all about how you respond and how you react to situations. That's the way I tend to explain it more. 

Sarah: That sounds amazing. So it's almost like kind of that, that powerful pause

Rebecca: It is.

Sarah: what you do with that.

Rebecca: It is, yeah. And it's actually, um, when you take the breath, you're actually, again, you're connecting the mind and the body together, aren't you? So you're calming the thoughts down, you're settling the mind, rather than [00:06:00] firing it up and reacting in that fight and flight. Which, which we are in an awful lot of the time nowadays, which is what's causing a lot of the, you know, illnesses and stress and anxiety.

Sarah: Yeah, yeah, I guess we're, we're bombarded, aren't we, by all these different stimulus all the time, all these distractions, all these things competing for our attention, to be able to take that kind of moment to sit back and say, are we actually reacting to what we think we're to? Um, so would you say an important part of it is this breathwork almost,

it's literally a breath?

Rebecca: Yeah, it's literally noticing your breath in your body. Because we don't notice these things. And once we start noticing how we're breathing, because obviously, when you're stressed and you're anxious, you, you shallow breathe. But actually, once you start to relax the body, and you notice where the breath is coming from, and when we do a guided meditation, we, we actually say, Notice [00:07:00] where you feel the breath the most in the body.

Is it in the nose when you're breathing in? You can feel the coolness at the back of your throat. Is it in the rising or the falling of the chest? Or the expansion of the belly? Or is it in the whole body? But we don't, I mean, how many people can sit back and actually say, do you know what? I know where I can feel my breath in the body.

You don't. You just, you take it for granted. Which is great, but if you actually just took a moment to notice where it was,

Sarah: Yeah.

Rebecca: it's all those thoughts that are in the mind that are actually causing the issue because you need to actually release those. It's very difficult to let go.

 It's a daily thing. Whenever you sit down, I get so passionate about it. Whenever you sit down and do a meditation, you sit down as a beginner because no matter what, whether you've been doing it 10, 20 years or two minutes, you're, you're going to sit down. with a different mindset every time.

So you're, you're, you're a beginner. So, you know, everybody goes, Oh, [00:08:00] these gurus have been doing it for years. Well, actually, they've still got their own issues going on. So, every time you sit down for the practice, you've still got the stuff going on in your head, and you still need to work through the whole process of settling the mind, settling the breath, feeling into the body, noticing where you feel the feet in the body, noticing where you feel the weight of your body in the chair.

It's just, it's very, very simple and this is why it's sometimes, overlooked but actually doing it is, is, um, physically getting yourself to do it is, is difficult as well. Because, you know, people procrastinate and they go, oh, I'll do it later. But actually, you know, like any habit, it's, you have to work at it.

Sarah: I love that idea of you're sat down as a beginner. There's no pressure. You don't have to be an expert to do this.

Rebecca: No, no,

Sarah: there's no barrier to starting.

Rebecca: no.

Sarah: if that in a way, it almost feels too simple to people. They think, Oh, well, I have to, You know, I have to have qualified in something, [00:09:00] or I have to have done a course in something.

actually, the way you explain it, it's very, very accessible.

Rebecca: Yeah, you can do it anywhere. You can do it, if you come to a traffic lights, and somebody cuts you off, instead of actually reacting to it, you can t ake a breath and go, okay, that's fine. They're having a bad day and that is really difficult. I'm not gonna say that's really easy But you know you then can have a better day by not Joining in in their energy joining in in their anger or whatever, you know, they might be in a rush They might need to go to hospital.

You know, you have to look at different sides of the situation But if you are if you are stressed and anxious you won't think about that You will just think about, Oh my God, they came in front of me and you know, and then the rest of your day gets, you know, it gets worse and worse and worse. So by just literally, um, allowing that person to go in front of you and having that breath and go, okay, that's fine, [00:10:00] I'll let them go.

Then you're actually having a better response to, to your day. Or even just, you know, like first thing in the morning, you know, it's really difficult to get a habit, but if you just say, um, tomorrow morning I'm going to get up and I'm going to sit for a minute, and that's it. And then that, you've done something.

Or even when you're having a cup of tea, instead of having a cup of tea and reading your notes on your phone or doom scrolling, you can put your phone down and you can just enjoy the cup of tea. You can look out the window. You know, and then two, three minutes later, then you're okay. Done.

Sarah: Yeah,

Rebecca: not even two, three minutes.

Sarah: back to self

Rebecca: it's not, yeah, it is, yeah. It's noticing all the thoughts, actually. Because when you do suddenly stop, the brain goes, oh yeah, she's stopped. Let's bombard with all these things. And then you suddenly realise how much stuff is going on in your head. 

You have to get to that point where you are, you notice that you need the support. Because so, so many times [00:11:00] in life, things happen, you know, you've got children, you've got work, you've got husbands, you've got wives, you've got, you know, friends that need your support or, you know, everything goes on. And there's only so much you can give.

So, you know, you can give, give and give, but you actually need to give back to yourself. And that's one thing with mindfulness. It's all about self care, looking after yourself, self compassion, giving yourself a break. How often do we go in our heads, Oh, I didn't do that very well, or I'm not very good, or I, you know, and you just beat yourself up.

You wouldn't say that to your best friend. You wouldn't say that to your, kids.

Sarah: Yes.

Rebecca: away And I teach the mindfulness based living course and that's one of the modules that we work on Right

Sounds like there are two [00:12:00] parts to this. On the one hand not being so caught 

Sarah: up in external factors and other people making you feel a certain way or other things triggering you or making you feel a certain way, but also the piece of actually acknowledging your relationship with yourself. As well, so there's kind of the both sides of it to take in the whole view. That's really interesting.

When you first started did you do a course on mindfulness to start with or was it a friend that told you about it? How did you hear about it?

Rebecca: Um, I think I started when it was, 2018, 2019, I started looking at the apps and just, I think I did Headspace, you know, just the odd thing like that. And then, I realised that, I needed a bit more, One to one type of support. So, I saw this course, that was [00:13:00] being delivered, in my hometown.

And I, and it was an eight week mindfulness based living course, which, again, I'm so, I was so blown away with it. I now teach it, I train to teach in it. And, and I did that. And, and so I did that one, and I did, mindfulness based stress reduced course. You know, once you start. You think, oh, I'm going to try that one, I'm going to try that one.

And, um, yeah, the, the, the structure helped me more than anything. And the, the, the availability of speaking to somebody and, and listening and, and gaining the experience of what they've been through. Um, and, and just to say, ah, do you know what? I've done that. Yeah, that's how I feel. And it's so good to be able 

say that, you know, and acknowledge that in your own mind that you're not on your own because in your head you think you're going through this all on your own, but actually you're not. We're all going through it. We're just not very good at telling everybody. It's like , when you have children, when you have little babies [00:14:00] and you meet up with mums and you go, you pretend everything's okay.

But actually, you're really struggling and you just need someone to go, Do you know what? I've had a really bad day. And you go, Yeah, so have I.

Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's funny, isn't it? In a world where we're so connected, we can feel so alone.

Rebecca: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And that's, that's, that's why that if you are alone, as long as you're alone and you feel okay in yourself, it's when you're alone and you don't feel okay in yourself, that's when you need the support. Possibly more.

If you can't event be a friend 

Sarah: to yourself, you know,

you really are truly alone, aren't you?

Rebecca: yeah, yeah.

Sarah: Amazing. And did you have any specific things happened along your mindfulness journey that stand out as being important   

Rebecca: So I did, I did the, I did the, I did a couple of courses and [00:15:00] it's, it's one of them things it doesn't happen overnight. It's a gradual thing. So, I made a decision to myself to get up every morning and do a practice. And, whether that was a guided practice after doing my courses because you get your own little recordings and stuff.

 Or whether it's a, you know, insight timer or, you know, any, any type of guided meditation I liked. But also I like to put a timer on do 20 minutes. But I made sure that I, I said to myself, I kind of made myself a promise that I wanted to get up every morning and do it. So it's now a habit. 

It's not like an overnight thing. It's a gradual feeling of, What I find with mindfulness, whenever I sit down, I, it creates space in my mind. So like a lot of the time when I do some mindfulness or, or, or any sort of meditation, it's just I feel like I, my, I've got a fog in my brain and obviously when I started it in 2018 19, um, in hindsight, I probably had perimenopause or stuff going on as well, [00:16:00] and now I can link them together, but at the time, I didn't. I, I, because you're so Oh gosh, you've got so much going on in your head and you can't think straight. And that is, A, stress and anxiety, but B, also perimenopausal, which is anxiety and the self doubt and the lack of confidence.

Rebecca: you know, the whole lot. So you imagine two things going together. So, yeah, I find that it helped me to lift that fog. And like, I saw clearer. I just felt a bit clearer in my head. And that helped to give me ideas, give me inspiration, allow creativity to come through, help me get through the day, you know, it calmed me down rather than starting off the day going, Oh, I've got to do this, I've got to do this and like so and so said that and I don't like that.

 Everything was going on in my head. I started the day at a lower level and calmer and that, that in itself helps me get through the day.

Sarah: Amazing.[00:17:00] 

Yeah. So kind of giving yourself that space where you were starting in a calm state to enable you to kind of move up and down as you need through the day, rather than starting the day stressed.

Rebecca: at 10 and ending at 20, I was starting one or two and then you have that elastic band, the elasticity to actually stretch yourself to a point and then when you get to that point you go, oh yeah, this doesn't feel, this feels uncomfortable. So then you can pull yourself back to where you want to be.

But I didn't realise how the impact it was having on me until somebody came up to me and said, oh, this was at work, she said, oh, you're always so calm. I'm like, Ooh, I am, aren't I? Because I was actually responding and, you know, I was finding that people were coming to me to talk to me about situations because I have that calm outer obviously look and, and the guidance I gave them, because that was part of my job role anyway, [00:18:00] was... not reactive, not emotional, I presume, yeah. But yeah, there

wasn't, so, like, what I'm trying to say is there wasn't any specific point when I went, Oh, I'm mindful now. It's, it's not like that. It's a gradual thing throughout, you know, you just feel better and you feel calmer. And also when you've been really stressed and anxious and possibly low, When you do get a bit of a flutter of joy or a flutter of happy feelings of what people call glimmers now, but I, you know, I, I did recognise that, oh, I, I, oh, it feels really good or something.

I noticed something and it made me feel really nice inside. And you notice this because you haven't had it for a long time. But now I've got to that point where, and yes, my, my life is very different to what it was. Um, I now got to that point where I am. I'm living, I feel lovely all the way through the day.

And I notice when I'm stressed. [00:19:00] I notice that. And that, and I don't like it. And I can't believe I lived in that life of stress and anxiety. And hardly had any lovely bits. Now I have a lovely, happy, jolly. Sounds idyllic, but it's, you know, it's life. I've worked at this. But when you notice the stress. And I go, oh, that's it.

I don't like that feeling. And that's because my mind and body are connected together and I notice these things. I'm aware. It's all about self awareness.

Sarah: That's

Rebecca: excuse me, it's a big thing in mindfulness. And also tapping helps as well.

Sarah: beautiful. Just to pick up on something you just said there, I hadn't fully appreciated that it was as much about identifying when you were in a stressful kind of deregulated place where you needed when you need something to draw on but [00:20:00] also recognising

Rebecca: Yeah. Yeah.

when 

Sarah: you are happy because actually we can shut down to that can't we I hadn't actually thought of it in that respect. You're actually covering everything. The

having the tools to deal with the one side, but also the ability to really live in that gorgeous moment of joy when it comes along.

Rebecca: And also, you know, like, it's, how often do we celebrate that bit? I mean, if you've got, you know, children and you see them playing and they're really enjoying yourself, you pick up on that enjoyment as well. And how often do we take that in and go, Oh, I'm going to keep that. I'm going to keep that feeling and recognise it.

But you don't. I'm going from my experience as a, as a mom, you think, okay, definitely they're happy. I'm just going to go and do this. We don't, we need to take stuff. We need to stop and go, Oh, look, they're really having a lovely time. [00:21:00] Let's, I'm just going to sit and watch him for two minutes and then I'll go and do my stuff.

You know, it's just, it's changing your approach. It's, it's recognising the good bits in life, rather than focusing on the, well, we always focus on the not so good bits. And it's the rewiring of the brain as well. It's, it's, you know, it's very much like the EFT. It's rewiring the, the neural pathways going from, Constantly thinking, I've got to do this or, or, or, you know, if you sit for a moment and the first thing that comes into your mind is the one thing that's been worrying you because it's that easy pathway for the mind to go, it goes, okay, we're sat for two minutes, let's worry about this because this is a pathway we always go down and we're away with the fairies.

We've gone down that rabbit hole, but what mindfulness is trying to do is to rewire that pathway and go, take a minute, notice the breath, notice where you're sitting, and it's not about let's think about anything [00:22:00] positive, but just let's not let that absorb our lives. Let's let it be, accept it, it's in the past maybe, you can't do anything about it.

Let's just be now. Let's just enjoy today. Do you see what I 

Sarah: mean?

Yeah. that's gorgeous. would you say that mindfulness kind of incorporates lots of different things? So you've mentioned that that you focus on your breath, you might do some meditation, are there other things that are involved in the practice. Okay.

Rebecca: do formal and informal practices. So the formal practice is sitting down, so you sit down for like 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes, however, 45 minutes, however long you want to. Or there's the informal practices, which is the everyday things like making a cup of tea and enjoying the cup of tea, looking at going out for a walk and enjoying the walk rather than Going for a walk and thinking, Oh, I've got to do this, that and the other.

Or, [00:23:00] I'm worried about this, or what am I going to do about that? It's actually, you know, the informal bit is incorporating it into your daily practice. When you're eating mindful eating, how often do we put our forks down and enjoy that mouthful?

Sarah: Yes.

Rebecca: how often do you have a nice cup of coffee with your friends

and you think, don't I have a cup of coffee?

You can't remember the coffee,

you know, you're not, you're not enjoying the actual

taste of things.

you've got the mindful eating, got mindful movement as well.

you know, it's not just all about sitting in a chair.

can do, you can do walking meditations.

can do, just general movement, just even like rolling the shoulders.

I mean,

often do you notice that when you roll the shoulders, you can feel all the muscles in the back and the muscles in the neck and so there's, there's a modular mindful movement as well and then you've got self compassion. So how often you compassionate yourself? How do you do it?

How do you feel? And that's quite a tricky one, you know, because it's all about loving kindness. You can [00:24:00] give the kindness to others, but when somebody says a compliment to you. Do you say, oh, thank you, that's really kind of you? Or do you go, what this old thing? You know, I bought this years ago.

Oh, I'm really tired. Or, you know, really? When somebody says something nice to you, say, oh, thank you very much. And you take that compliment and you can give yourself a bit of love, a bit of compassion, a bit of niceness in life, isn't it? 

Sarah: Yeah, I love it.

Rebecca: And so, yeah, it's, it's a myriad.

Sarah: good

Rebecca: and it has transformed my life. Um, I've gone from being

really anxious,

really stressed, emotional, tear, you know, you get the teariness, perimenopausal, but I've had anxiety with work and, and life in general and family life and stuff like that. Life throws you curveballs, doesn't it?

And you know, you either sink or swim and I was sinking so I needed something and I reached out and I found this [00:25:00] and thankfully, um, it was the right fit for me. I'm not saying it's the right fit for everybody because, you know, it can't fit everybody's lifestyle but it can definitely support it and help it, definitely.

Sarah: Yeah, and the way you've explained it, that it covers all your senses, and it can incorporate so many different ways of accessing that mindful moment, that hopefully, lots of the listeners will be able to find an element within that, that they could find that mindful moment for themselves. I know you offer courses and things yourself, don't you? 

Rebecca: I teach a four week introduction to mindfulness and it's like a beginner's course because I felt that eight weeks all in one go can be quite heavy if you're not ready for it. So I introduced a four week one and then I do an eight week one as well. It kind of teaches you how to bring [00:26:00] in mindfulness, integrate mindfulness into your day, through mindful movement, eating, formal sitting, daily practices, and it's, and it's sort of supporting there as well.

So, yeah, I love doing that. 

Sarah: Sounds incredible. I'll make sure that I include in the show notes any links to Becca's courses and I think she's got a blog that's got some great information on there as well. Is there anything else that you've been either looking into or you also use towards your wellness?

Rebecca: So I do EFT tapping as well. Well, what I've actually done is because I do mindfulness and I do tapping, um, I fuse them together. So when I do sessions, in my local area and I do it online as well, it's a double whammy. It's a really good one. So, so tapping helps to obviously helps to regulate the nervous system and then once I've calmed the nervous system down, I go in with the mindfulness and you go into a deeper mindfulness meditation and it's a really good balance and I'm finding people are having a lot of [00:27:00] impact on that.

So that's what I'm really, really enjoying at the moment. So I'm kind of like, um, tweaking and, and just, you know, building that up and fusing it together. You know, we start at the beginning. You have got to be at the right place at the right time. I feel like The whole of my career, I've, I've come to this point where I've got all this experience of, of all this holistic stuff and then I've got this mindfulness and I've got this tapping I know it's going to have an impact on people and I know that, it helps to support people in their everyday lives. Because they're stressed.

Sarah: We are, and you, and the beautiful thing is that you've kind of come to that place from experiencing it yourself. You haven't just been picking up on some fad or buzzwords, I said at the start. It's actually, you've tried this out, you've lived this,

experienced what the potential

Rebecca: Yeah, I've come from a low place to where I am now, and I am [00:28:00] so grateful every day to, and that's another thing, gratitude. It comes, that gratitude comes into mindfulness as well. It's just, it's just a whole, whole thing. I love it.

Sarah: yeah, fantastic. I mean, gratitude, as you say, can change your outlook completely, can't it? I can see how it would link so closely with some of the mindfulness, other practices that you were talking about, because it's that taking stock, isn't it? Coming back to yourself, understanding yourself, and actually the environment I really am in, you know, it's not necessarily all bad or all good, but if I can look out for the good and enjoy the good,

Rebecca: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah: that can, that can really change your mindset going forward.

And, you

Rebecca: I'm reflecting as well. We don't, we don't reflect enough. Um,

you know, even if you journal and write down, cause that's another thing that I found that, you know, when I needed some support, I used to write, [00:29:00] write and write and write and, uh, just getting it down on paper gets it out of the head because we've got too much going on in our heads.

So if you actually get it down on paper, it's like, it's like a therapeutic. I don't know, healing. You just, you write it. You don't have to read it afterwards, you know, but as long as it's down on the paper, then it's out of your head. Yeah, there's so much going, you know, that mindfulness and, well, any therapies can help with really.

But, you know, from, from my personal experience I've gone, I have gone from, Being very low, uh, struggling with work and life and, you know, personal stuff. And then just gradually taking that step and moving forward upwards. So yeah, as long as you ask and reach out for help, I think anything can help if you're ready for it.

You've got to be ready for it.

Sarah: thing, isn't it? Being in that place, that means you can say, this isn't actually the way I want to live anymore.[00:30:00] 

And I do need some support in doing that. And the resources are out there. It's just. being able to take that next step.

Rebecca: And finding the right one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah: I wish this conversation could go on for another 30 minutes because, um, I'm sure we've only touched the tip of the iceberg when it comes to mindfulness. So

Rebecca: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. I could talk for England about mindfulness, but I won't. 

Thank you.

Sarah: Thank you so much

Rebecca: You're welcome. Thank you. 

Thank you for joining us on today's exploration of mindfulness. We've learned [00:31:00] that mindfulness doesn't require hours of meditation or expert knowledge. It can be as simple as taking a mindful breath or truly savoring your morning cup of tea. If you'd like to learn more about mindfulness or connect with today's guest, you'll find relevant links and resources in the show notes.

Until next time, I'm Sarah, and remember, there's many paths to wellness, and sometimes they start with just taking a breath.