Exploring RTT with Chantal

What if the habit you can't shake, or the pattern you keep repeating, isn't actually something you need to think your way out of?

Host Sarah Gorev is joined by Chantal Karyta, a Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT) practitioner, to unpack why so much of what drives our behaviour lives below conscious awareness - and how this fast-acting therapy works directly with the subconscious mind to get to the root of it, often in just one or two sessions.

In this episode you'll hear about:

• What RTT actually is, and how it differs from traditional talk therapy

• Why patterns like procrastination, people-pleasing and toxic relationship choices often trace back to messages we absorbed as children

• The different brainwave states we move through as we grow up, and why the subconscious is so open to suggestion in early childhood

• How visualisation affects the brain in a similar way to real experience - and what that means for anxious thought spirals

• Chantal's own journey from feeling low and self-sabotage to completely turning her life and business around

• The simple daily practices she still relies on today

A genuinely eye-opening conversation about  what we believe about ourselves and how quickly that can shift once you know where to look.

🔗 Chantal / Elite Mindset Therapy — https://www.elitemindsettherapy.com/

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[00:00:07] Sarah: Welcome back to Exploring Ways to Wellness. I'm Sarah Gorev, and this week I'm joined by Chantal, who works with something I know a lot of you have been asking about: rapid transformational therapy, or RTT. If you've ever felt stuck in the same pattern, no matter how much you've tried to think your way out of it, this one's for you.

[00:00:30] Chantal explains why so much of what drives our behaviour lives below conscious awareness, and how RTT works directly with the subconscious mind to get to the root of things, often surprisingly quickly. We'll also get into her own story from low feelings and self-sabotage to completely turning her life around and the small daily practices she still leans on today.

[00:00:58] So with that, let's dive in

[00:01:05] Welcome back to Exploring Ways to Wellness. This week, I've got the lovely Chantal with me, and we're gonna be delving into rapid transformational therapy. So thank you for joining us, Chantal. 

[00:01:18] Chantal: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. 

[00:01:22] Sarah: I love this topic because I find it's coming up a lot.

[00:01:25] So I was dying to get somebody on to talk us through their experiences with it. So yeah- Yeah ... would you start by explaining what's, what on earth is rapid transformational therapy? 

[00:01:38] Chantal: Okay, cool. Yeah, so it pretty much is what it says on the tin really.

[00:01:42] There's different parts of our mind, first of all. We all have, like, a bit of an operating system, if you like, that's installed in us when we, we are younger. And quite often, all, like, our emotional experiences, memories, um, you know, all the stories that we heard growing up, all those kinds of things, that all goes into, like, what's known as, like, our unconscious or subconscious mind.

[00:02:04] And then we've got, like, our conscious mind, which is just ... So if you imagine a bit like an iceberg, like, it's a bit of an iceberg analogy. All right? And you imagine, like, the small bit of ice above the water. All right? That's your conscious mind. All right? So that's like your logical planning, your reasoning kind of mind.

[00:02:22] It's plans, all your to-do lists, and your goals, and all that kind of thing. Now, that roughly accounts for only 5% of your mental processing. All right? Oh, wow. Whereas if you imagine underneath the water. That is, like, your subconscious.

[00:02:37] All right? And that drives 95% of our behaviours. All right? But from an unconscious level. Okay. And it was Bruce Lipton, he basically kind of found that the conscious mind only processes 40 bits of information per second, compared to the subconscious mind that processes 40 million bits of information- 

[00:02:58] Sarah: Wow

[00:02:59] Chantal: per second. All right? And so we are pretty much all running programmes from when we were children. All right? Whether that is in terms of, like, our business, our relationship choices, our health, um, you know. Like rapid transformational therapy can pretty much help with, with any aspect of that.

[00:03:15] Now, the reason why I'm talking about the subconscious and the conscious mind is that what we do with RTT is that we speak to the subconscious. All right? And so we get right down to the root cause of the client's presenting problem. All right? So where traditional talk therapy, um, might, you know, speak to that 5%, that logical mind, what we're doing is we're going straight into the subconscious.

[00:03:43] All right? So from the first session, we're pretty much putting the client into an alpha brainwave state, which is ... Like, I'll talk about different brainwave states. Um, but for people that don't know, it's, like, a much lower, slower brainwave state than what we're in currently. Right? When you're rushing around and being busy and everything else, we're in a beta brainwave state.

[00:04:07] All right? And so I'm relaxing the client, getting them into an alpha brainwave state, and then I'm able to access the subconscious from there. Okay? And so- Say, for instance, if I'm dealing with a client with, I don't know, procrastination, for example, right? That's quite a common one that I see. I think a lot of us, especially when we have our own businesses, we- 

[00:04:27] Sarah: Yeah, can definitely relate to that.

[00:04:29] Chantal: Yeah, we procrastinate a lot, all right? And it's not about just dealing with the procrastination itself, it's about dealing with, okay, where did that come from? Like, why is it there? What has the b- why has our body and our mind given us procrastination? And so what we do is we go right down to the root cause of where the procrastination or choosing toxic relationships or binge eating or smoking or, again, whatever it might be, okay?

[00:04:58] And we go in and we find out where it came from. And quite often it comes from childhood. All right. And so as I was saying, about different brainwave states, now, when we are younger, we, uh, live in a different brainwave state to what we do now. So for the first two years of our life, we are living in like a delta brainwave state, which is the same state that you're in, um, as adults when you're in like a deep sleep.

[00:05:25] It's like a healing, restoration kind of state. From the ages of, like, two to the ages of, like, six to seven, we're in a theta brainwave state, right? Which is pretty much like a dream, deep meditation state. From seven to 12, we're in alpha, and then from 12 years and older, we are in beta. Now, again, the reason why I'm saying this is because we only get the ability to think analytically and think logically and being able to reason with things when we approach beta, which is from the ages of, like, 12 and o- and older.

[00:06:01] All right? When we're younger, so especially when we're in, like, theta, our subconscious is extremely open and extremely suggestible. All right? And so whatever messages we hear during that time goes in as, like, pure truth. Okay? We don't have the, say, the ability to, like, question things at that age. And so a lot of it kind of comes from, like, what messages and stories that we heard when we were children.

[00:06:27] All right? And so the, going back to things like the procrastination, for instance, it could actually come down to something that is completely, like, non-related. All right? It could be perhaps a time where you were compared to a sibling who did better than you in school, for instance, or if you had, like, a teacher that told you you were too much or not trying hard enough or that you needed to settle down.

[00:06:51] You know, and there's so many different, like, types of messages. It could be perhaps when school friends laughed at you, if you got bullied. It, it doesn't even have to be, like, a massive traumatic mument. It could just be a time where we heard something and that made us feel, okay, there's a few different, like, root causes and quite often the one of, one of them is I'm not enough or I'm not f- I don't feel good enough.

[00:07:15] Mm. Um, and then that then starts to become our beliefs, which then becomes our identity. And so with our- 

[00:07:23] Sarah: So, so would people know that was the cause? Or it was through- So- ... the therapy that, that they would discover that? Yeah. 

[00:07:31] Chantal: Yeah. So quite often if I was just to ask you logically, for instance, Sarah, okay, if you say you struggle with procrastination, um, you know, and I will just ask you logically, okay, where does that come from, for instance, your logical mind is probably gonna think, "I don't know," or, you know, you'll come up with some random answer.

[00:07:50] Whereas what we do is we get the brain all relaxed first and then we go back to a time where the procrastination first started, for instance. Right. Does that make sense? Yes. And so- 

[00:08:01] Sarah: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:08:02] Chantal: And so it's all about, like, again, the, not necessarily the words of what happened to us when we were children, but it was the way that we were made to feel.

[00:08:12] Okay? Mm-hmm. And as I say, it can even be, like, a real non-dramatic mument. You know, it could be something like you've drawn a picture as a four-year-old, for instance, and you're really, like, proud of it. You go to show your mum, but she's busy working, so she just shoos you away. All right? In her eyes, she's just, she's busy.

[00:08:30] She's working. All right? From your four-year-old perspective, you feel, "My mum's abandoned me. I don't feel safe." Okay? "She hasn't, like, approved of my drawing," for instance. And so then that child feels, "Okay, I'm not good enough. There must be something wrong with me." And so we always make it about ourselves rather than make it about our caregivers, because at that time, at that age, we need our parents, we need our caregivers to, to, for us to be able to survive, for us to, you know, from a survival instinct we need those people to appear normal, if you like, you know, that there's nothing wrong with them.

[00:09:07] So therefore we then put the blame on ourselves and we think, "Okay, there must be something wrong with me." Does that make sense? 

[00:09:14] Sarah: Yes. Yeah. Definitely. Wow. It seems to, uh, uncover a lot. I'm sure sessions could be quite, uh, deep then. 

[00:09:22] Chantal: Yeah, really, really deep. Because especially once we get to the root cause of it as well, a lot of the therapy then is actually then getting the client to understand, okay, these beliefs aren't actually ours to begin with, right?

[00:09:36] Which again is something that unless we're actually aware of and unless we do the work, you know, the deep work with our subconscious- Mm-hmm ... it's just something that, you know, we think that's the way we are. So quite often, for instance, I'll give you an example, like a lot of children are given labels when they're younger, okay?

[00:09:55] And I remember my mum, she would always label me as shy. All right? And I, for as young as I can remember if I hi- if I met someone new and I just hid behind my mum or something, you know, my mum would be like, "Oh, she's shy, she's shy." And I would just hear this shy word constantly throughout my childhood.

[00:10:11] And what do you do when you're labelled as something? All right? So me being labelled as shy, well, what do shy people do? Okay. They shrink away. They don't speak up in class. They don't speak up in, like, confrontations or conflicts. They, they, especially when they got their own businesses, they might not want to go and speak up on stage or go to apply on podcasts or speak- Yeah

[00:10:33] on video, for instance, right? Because they've been defined as- Yeah ... that label. All right. And so that- And I 

[00:10:39] Sarah: guess then your, your actions are just playing out what you believe in yourself to be 

[00:10:45] Chantal: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so, you know, and so that's what we kind of grow up as. But actually- Mm

[00:10:52] when we're born, we're born with, like, phenomenal self-belief. I mean, I've got a little boy, he's 15 months old, and- 

[00:10:58] Sarah: Oh ... 

[00:10:58] Chantal: I ... Oh, he's just so good. But he adores himself, you know? He just- Yes ... like looks at himself in the mirror, he blows himself kisses. Like, he doesn't look 

[00:11:09] Sarah: in the 

[00:11:10] Chantal: mirror- Oh, I love that ... and think, "Oh, God, my belly's hanging out a little bit too much," or, you know, "My thighs are looking a little bit chunky."

[00:11:15] Um- 

[00:11:15] Sarah: Yeah, we could learn so much from the, c- copying- Yeah ... the kids, couldn't we? 

[00:11:20] Chantal: Yeah, 

[00:11:21] Sarah: absolutely. And we're trying to teach them to be us. It's crazy. 

[00:11:23] Chantal: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, and I just, I love that about him, and I'm never going to label him, and I'm never gonna tell him he's too much or too loud or to stop showing off or anything like that, you know?

[00:11:35] Because I want him to have, like, really good self-esteem, and I think just a lot of us, the way that we were brought up by our parents and caregivers, and, you know, it's not their fault. I mean, you know, we have to look at, like, how they were brought up, for instance. You know, they're doing- Yes ... the best that they 

[00:11:49] Sarah: can.

[00:11:50] Everyone's doing the best they can. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, and, you know, it, in the environment and the culture as it was at the time. 

[00:11:57] Chantal: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So we're pretty much, like, if you think about, you know, when you get a new mobile phone and you have the operating system, right? And say you have that phone for five years, 10 years, it probably wouldn't even last that long nowadays, but say, for instance, if you have a phone for that long, but you never upgrade that operating system, that phone is going to run a lot slower than what it might do.

[00:12:20] It's, things aren't gonna work as properly, all right? And that's essentially what we're doing as well. You know, our minds are like an operating system, and we have the power to be able to upgrade them, to rewire our brains to form new beliefs. About ourselves. But so many of us aren't doing that, but that's exactly what RTT does.

[00:12:43] Okay? So once the person realises, "Oh my God, this belief isn't mine," we're able then to just interrupt it, and then we're able to reinstall new beliefs as well. And so, you know, Hebb's law has shown, you know, neurons that fire together, wire together. And so as well as, like, the session, they then get a recording to listen to that's personalised for them, that helps to rewire their brains.

[00:13:09] And the, the results are absolutely phenomenal. You can literally have, like, one session. I mean, I help a lot of founders with things like fear of visibility, um, you know, perfectionism, procrastination, people that choose toxic relationships, for instance. Um, you know, there's so many things that it can help with.

[00:13:27] Even as well things like physical ailments. So once you realise- Fantastic ... like how powerful the mind is it's absolutely amazing.

[00:13:35] Sarah: And must be so rewarding for you as well to see those sorts of results. 

[00:13:40] Chantal: Definitely. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's, it's amazing. It's just, you know, seeing them before the session, and then even during the session, you know, we do a lot of like...

[00:13:49] it's basically like a lot of mixture of like NLP tools, CBT, psychotherapy, um, neuroplasticity. It's like a blend of all different- Ah, okay ... tools within the client going in a hypnotic state. So we're able to do like inner child healing, for instance. We're able to like speak to the part that is causing this symptom.

[00:14:10] Um, you know, and quite often a lot of the time it's to these symptoms have been presented in order to keep the person safe. All right? Yes. Yeah. So one of the rules of the mind is that we like what is familiar. And so the subconscious doesn't care about you earning loads of money or being really successful or being really happy.

[00:14:31] All it cares about is what was safe growing up. Okay? Mm-hmm. And even though perhaps you might not have lived in a safe household, you know, if like abuse for instance, was quite familiar, or if arguing about money was quite familiar for you growing up, now, for instance, choosing like a really lovely partner, for instance, is gonna come across as like really boring for you, right?

[00:14:56] Because you're used to like that chaos that you had when you were perhaps growing up. All right? I see this a lot again with my founder clients. Um, they want to logically earn loads of money. Um, but if earning money is really easy for them now, they think, "Oh, this is like really suspicious."

[00:15:13] And so what happens is we kind of have like an internal thermostat and it clicks on. Again, unconsciously, we're not aware of this at all. And so then we end up like pulling back. Okay? 

[00:15:25] Sarah: Yeah. 

[00:15:25] Chantal: Because as I say, the mind always wants to draw us back in our comfort zone, back to what we're used to as children.

[00:15:32] Sarah: Yeah, amazing. And I guess if you're bringing in all these different elements, all these different techniques, it means that a session w- for one person would look completely different potentially to a session for somebody else? 

[00:15:44] Chantal: Yeah, definitely, definitely. We always start off with, like, an intake call first of all, and, you know, just really get in exactly what the person wants.

[00:15:53] And, you know, we speak a little bit about their childhood, what they want. You know, like, if I had a magic wand, for instance, what would life look like after the problem? And then we really go deep into what life looks like without the problem- 

[00:16:07] Sarah: Yeah ... 

[00:16:08] Chantal: as well. And I use a lot of, like, what the clients are saying themselves in the recording that I do for them afterwards and in the session as well.

[00:16:18] Because it's all very well listening to, you know, a generic recording of, you know, something. That can, that can definitely be really beneficial. But when someone is really being specific about what your future self, for instance, wants and has and embodies, and if we're speaking in the client's own words and own vocabulary, it's so much more powerful.

[00:16:41] I mean, I've had clients where, you know, I've just even done just recordings for them without each- even doing the full RTT session, and they've told me that that recording has enabled them to go and speak on stage for the first time for instance. Or, you know, if they've got money blocks, for instance, their personalised recording has helped them with things like before the sales call for example, or it's given them the courage to be able to, like, raise their prices.

[00:17:07] So, you know, just speaking in your cl- in the client's words can be, that in itself can be really transformative. And there's different tools as well for, so each session I'm not gonna use the same tools for every, every client. It just depends what comes up and just depends on what they need during the session.

[00:17:26] Sarah: Fantastic. How did you come across this? Was there a particular issue that you were looking to be solved that, and you stumbled across RTT? Or- Yeah ... how did you, uh, find out about it? 

[00:17:38] Chantal: So pretty much, same as what happens to everyone. You kinda hit rock bottom in your life and you think and that's what makes you do the work, doesn't it?

[00:17:47] So I ended up- I'll talk really briefly about my story, but, um, I've got a dog training business that I've had- Okay ... since like 2009. And I was running it for years. I was really like burnt out. I, I, I did all the things that I speak about now. You know, I self-sabotaged, I procrastinated. Um, always ended up choosing really like toxic relationships as well.

[00:18:09] You know- Mm-hmm ... I'd end up in a relationship for like a couple of years, and then it would end up just being the same old pattern and, I'd think, "God, what's wrong with me? What's wrong with them?" kind of thing. And then I actually ended up meeting a guy who was actually South African, and we spent a year flying up and down.

[00:18:26] And then I came to live here. So I moved from the UK- Wow ... to South Africa, where I am now. And at the time, I kind of thought, "Wow, this is it. This is my knight in shining armour." 

[00:18:36] Sarah: Yes, 

[00:18:36] Chantal: amazing. "He's, he's here to rescue me." Finally. Didn't quite work out like that. It ended up being- Oh, dear ... like a very emotionally abusive relationship.

[00:18:46] Oh. So I ended up leaving about a year and a half afterwards. Yeah. But the thing is, I didn't wanna move back to the UK. I wanted to stay in South Africa. Like, I really feel like this is like my soul home. Like, I absolutely love it 

[00:18:57] Sarah: here. Beautiful country, yeah. 

[00:18:58] Chantal: Yeah, absolutely. But I ended up leaving just before lockdown, right?

[00:19:01] I ended up being in my friend's spare room, and I was 38 years old, and I literally had left. I'd packed all my belongings and my four dogs in my small car and just packed in- Wow ... wherever I could kind of find. And then literally a couple of days later, like lockdown hit. So then I was like 38 years old, like no relationship, living in like a foreign country.

[00:19:22] Then because of lockdown, all of a sudden earnings just completely like stopped as well. 

[00:19:27] Sarah: Yes. So 

[00:19:28] Chantal: then I 

[00:19:28] Sarah: had like no money. I'm guessing there wasn't a lot of dog training in lockdown. 

[00:19:31] Chantal: No, not at first, no, until we then decided to go online and stuff. But obviously that took a little bit of a while. 

[00:19:37] Sarah: Yeah. 

[00:19:38] Chantal: Oh.

[00:19:38] And I just remember just sitting in my friend's spare room and thinking, "Oh, my gosh. What is wrong with me?" You know, 38 years old, you kind of-- I would always compare myself to like my friends, other people, you know. Like thinking, "Why am I not the one that's got married?" Or, you know, "Why am I the one that's not settled down and things?"

[00:19:57] Um- I don't know, I just felt really, like, different and I felt like that wasn't available to me. And I just felt so low. And funnily enough, that's when I then started, like, delving into all the personal development stuff. And it's interesting 'cause I've got a psychology degree, um, you know, but they don't teach you all this kind of stuff on yourself when- 

[00:20:17] Sarah: Yeah, all the personal

[00:20:18] Yeah. 

[00:20:18] Chantal: Yeah, absolutely. And so then just, I just started working on myself, and RTT was one of the modalities that I really looked into. And literally just from having a couple of sessions, I was just able to completely transform my life. You know, within, like, six months I'd moved into, like, a big four-bedroom house, like, that was, like, detached.

[00:20:40] Um, it was a house that I remember thinking, "Oh, my gosh," like, "I would never have expected to live anywhere like this." You know, I was able to, like, scale my dog training business. I've now got trainers up and down the UK working for me, and I run the business from here. I just do, like, you know, the sales calls and things.

[00:20:56] I've attracted an amazing partner now who you know, is just ... It's been so different. So I think because I was really able to work on my self-worth, like, I realised I just didn't love myself at all. Again, d- and again, you're just so unaware of it when you're unconscious. You know? That- When 

[00:21:14] Sarah: you're in 

[00:21:15] Chantal: it, yeah

[00:21:15] the negative voice in your head just becomes normal. It's just like background noise, you know? You, you don't actually realise that you're, you can be aware of it and that you can change it. Yeah ... and I think as soon as you work on loving yourself, which is pretty much the root cause of all of my clients' issues, you know, once you work on loving yourself and not looking for it externally, then your life can transform.

[00:21:41] And that's what I help my clients do. Amazing. And I think because it made 

[00:21:44] Sarah: me- That's fantastic. 

[00:21:45] Chantal: Yeah. And it just transformed my life so much- Yeah ... that I'm just now so passionate about it. It's like- And 

[00:21:50] Sarah: you want to share, of course. 

[00:21:51] Chantal: Yeah. Amazing. Absolutely. Yeah. What, 

[00:21:53] Sarah: what attracted you to RTT over other things that were out there, do you think?

[00:21:59] Chantal: I think, do you know, I think I saw a YouTube video about it or something. And I know I had a friend that, um, had qualified in it. Right. And yeah, she, she gave me a session and, I don't know, I just, I loved all the work. I think being into psychology and behaviour anyway- Yes ... I have a massive interest in all of this kind of stuff.

[00:22:20] So yeah, it just- 

[00:22:21] Sarah: It felt natural, I guess- 

[00:22:23] Chantal: Yeah, 

[00:22:24] Sarah: yeah ... that, that you would gravitate towards that style of, yeah. 

[00:22:26] Chantal: Yeah, yeah. And I'd, I'd been to traditional talk therapy and, you know, they just wanted to put me on antidepressants and that kind of thing, and I just remember sitting there. I think I went for like six sessions and I just thought, "This is just a waste of time.

[00:22:38] It's not..." Mm-hmm. So yeah, I was open to trying anything really, so yeah. 

[00:22:44] Sarah: Lovely. Is there anything else you tried or that you now do that aids your wellness going forward? 'Cause obviously you're working with clients, but on a personal basis, is there anything else that you find helps your wellness and your wellbeing? 

[00:23:01] Chantal: I think nowadays I just, I journal a lot.

[00:23:05] Like, that's actually- Mm ... something I've got into quite recently. And I find like, say for instance, if you like wake up in the morning, first thing in the morning, and then you just brain vomit your stuff that, um- Yes ... you know, whilst you're still in that kind of theta brainwave state, that can actually really help at just calming- 

[00:23:23] Sarah: Yes, yeah

[00:23:25] your, you know, thoughts and things. I've, I've, um, done the Artist's Way, the morning pages. 

[00:23:28] Chantal: Yes, yes. Yeah. Me too. Me too. Lovely. Yeah, it's such a good book, isn't it? 

[00:23:33] Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. But it's amazing, in those morning pages, what just comes out- Yeah ... and that sort- Yeah ... of cleansing afterwards of okay, it's out now.

[00:23:40] Yeah. I don't need to think about that for the rest of the day. 

[00:23:44] Chantal: Yeah, yeah. And I've tested it. I've write, I've kind of like not done my morning pages for a couple of weeks and then you start to like, you know, sometimes just hear that or just have that kind of underlying anxiety just running in the background.

[00:23:56] Whereas yeah, if I do those morning pages, then I can just make myself feel so much better. I do a lot as well of like future identity work as well, so within those pages- Ah ... I talk about, um, me embodying the person that, you know, I want to become and the business that I want to have and, you know, my life and everything else- Mm

[00:24:17] because I think that's really important as well, is just to- Um, keep embodying, you know, the person that you want to become. 'Cause ultimately, I think everyone just wants to be the best version of themselves.

[00:24:29] Sarah: Yeah, definitely. 

[00:24:30] Chantal: So yeah, I do that. I make sure I meditate every day.

[00:24:34] I do gratitude, EFT. Yeah, I also as well, like, I love being in nature, so one of the things I love about Africa is just being outside. Yeah, I just, so I just will go out in the garden, for instance, in the morning with my dogs and just listening to the birdsong, for instance. You know, you, that really like helps to soothe your nervous system.

[00:24:55] Yes. Oh. So it's probably like a combination of all, doing all the different things. 

[00:25:00] Sarah: I think that's sort of a thing for all of us really, isn't it, is to work out what that little sort of toolkit is for ourselves- Yeah ... um, and what that daily practice is that- 

[00:25:11] Chantal: Yeah

[00:25:11] Sarah: that means that we're okay, and we've got- Yeah ... the other bits to dip into if, if something- 

[00:25:16] Chantal: Yeah ... 

[00:25:17] Sarah: goes awry. Yeah, 

[00:25:17] Chantal: absolutely. Yeah. To just give someone a takeaway of being aware of like their thoughts everything kind of starts with like a thought.

[00:25:25] And so say, for instance, if your internal thought is, "I'm not enough," for example, okay? If you're thinking that, what kind of feelings are you going to be feeling? They're gonna be quite negative, right? They're gonna be like- Mm ... pessimistic. If you're feeling like that, what actions are you then going to take?

[00:25:49] Right, you're probably not going to really take much positive action, or you're gonna procrastinate or avoid or, um, you know, do whatever that is going to support that. That then goes back to the original thought that I'm not enough, right? Because your brain likes to look for evidence of things that it believes, all right?

[00:26:09] And so if that belief is, "I am not enough," your brain, that reticular activating system, part of it that goes looking for things, is going to say, "Oh, yeah, see? There we go. There's evidence that you're not enough," for instance. So, so say, for example, if, I don't know, you end up on a sales call, for example, right, and the client d- or the person decides not to buy, if you initially don't feel good enough, then your brain is gonna be like, "Yeah, see?

[00:26:38] I told you." And then that might then make you go quiet on social media for a few weeks, for instance- Mm ... right, because that feeling produces an action which then goes back to reinforcing that thought. 

[00:26:49] Sarah: Yeah. Um- It's a bit like the opposite of manifestation, isn't it? Or, or it is- Yeah ... manifestation, I guess.

[00:26:55] You're manifesting- 

[00:26:55] Chantal: Yeah, but just the other- ... but in the wrong way ... 

[00:26:56] Sarah: the downward. 

[00:26:57] Chantal: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And the other thing as well is like visualisation is so important- Mm ... as well. You know, like when we have, again, these like negative thoughts about ourselves, we tend to visualise like the worst happening as well.

[00:27:14] So again, say, for instance I work with, say, with a lot of different founders, and if they're not feeling good enough, they're ... And they don't wanna, say, post on social media, for instance, they're going to already be visualising, okay, they're gonna go on social media, they're gonna do a live, they're gonna muck it up, someone's going to criticize them, you know, and they start visualising- 

[00:27:37] Sarah: Catastrophizing everything

[00:27:38] all... 

[00:27:38] Chantal: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. What that's doing is it's making those neural pathways in your brain stronger, okay? Mm. And it's gonna make them more automatic, whereas actually what we want to do, we want to use visualisation, but we want to visualise things going right. Um, you know, the brain doesn't actually know what is real and what is imagined, all right?

[00:28:00] And there's been loads of studies done around this around the world. You know, they've put people in MRI machines, and they've got half the participants to move a certain part of their body, and then the other half just to visualise- moving that part of the body. And they found the same brain circuits fire up, right?

[00:28:20] So the brain doesn't know the difference. Now, when you're visualising, like, negative stuff, you're going to get those chemicals of emotion going through your body. You know, it's like if I say to you now, you know, if you can imag- like visualise a really joyful time, like a really lovely holiday for instance, or what was like, the best day of your life, for instance, right?

[00:28:40] If you sit and visualise it and think about it, you're gonna get all nice pleasure chemicals, like, go through, through your body. Whereas actually, if you think about negative things, so perhaps like, you know, you've have an argument with your mother-in-law or your partner or something like that, and you rethink it over and over, your body doesn't know the difference between you just thinking it and it happening.

[00:29:05] So as far as your body's concerned- Mm ... we're going through that whole experience again. So that's going to like, again, just produce a cascade of, like, negative emotions- Yeah ... which produces that feeling 

[00:29:17] Sarah: in your body. And that can be a danger, can't it, with talk therapy- Yeah ... sometimes. Yeah. 

[00:29:20] Chantal: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:29:21] Absolutely. 

[00:29:22] Sarah: And it's been- 'Cause it's just sort of re- it can re-traumatise- Yeah. 

[00:29:25] Chantal: Yeah, ab- ... 

[00:29:25] Sarah: if not very well-controlled, so. Yeah. 

[00:29:28] Chantal: Yeah. No, definitely. And there's been, like, studies to show, you know, that an emotion only li- um, is in your body for 90 seconds. All right? It's what- The stories we tell ourselves in our head, that's what keeps replaying it over and over.

[00:29:43] And so it keeps on producing that chemical reaction in the body. Um, and so it's just about getting people to be really aware of that, you know? And you can use visualisation to such a good thing. You know, you see athletes using it all the time. You know- Yes ... they visualise. It- it's a massive part of, like, their mindset training, you know?

[00:30:03] Mm-hmm. They say that mindset is, like, 80% of everything. And so, you know, again, there's been studies to show that performance is increased when you just visualise something as opposed to actually physically doing something, you know? And again, there's been studies on confidence and envisioning your future self.

[00:30:21] Um, and the more that you do that, the more you're gonna create that new neural pathway in your brain. Yeah. Um, I think RTT just accelerates all of that, you know? It just gets down to that root cause, where it came from. We rip it out, and then yeah, we just start installing new beliefs. So it's quick.

[00:30:40] It's, um, yeah, it's great. And I think everyone now wants a quick fix these days, don't they? Yeah. You don't have time for a- Yeah, 

[00:30:46] Sarah: no one has time. Yeah. But, but it always wins. 

[00:30:49] Chantal: We want something now. 

[00:30:50] Sarah: Yeah. I love it. And obviously you've talked about clients, so you have clients yourself that you do RTT sessions with.

[00:30:59] If anybody listening to the podcast thinks, "Ooh, actually, that that sounds like that might help me with an issue I have," and, um, they want to have a chat or they want to get in touch, what would be the best way for them to do that? 

[00:31:13] Chantal: They can either get me on social media. So it's just my name. I can give you the links if you want.

[00:31:19] Um- 

[00:31:19] Sarah: Yeah. I'll pop all the links in the show notes. 

[00:31:21] Chantal: Yeah. So on my website, elitemindsettherapy.com, and then you can book a free call with me on there as well. So, yeah. 

[00:31:28] Sarah: Fantastic. And is it just RTT that you offer, or have you got any other things going on at the mument? 

[00:31:35] Chantal: So depending on the client I'm working with, I have, like, my Unleash Method that I use, um, which involves, like, RTT, but then we might use other modalities as well to help just bring the nervous system into it.

[00:31:49] 'Cause quite often, you know, the mind, we can sort the mind out, but then the body, like, needs- 

[00:31:53] Sarah: Sits in the body as well. Yeah. 

[00:31:55] Chantal: Yeah. Absolutely. So again, just some of my clients don't need that. Some of them do. So it's just, yeah, bespoke to what the client needs. 

[00:32:04] Sarah: Fantastic. Well, I'll pop everything into the show notes.

[00:32:08] Thank you so much for talking us through that, it can feel quite complex when you see something like RTT or rapid transformational therapy. It can be a bit "What on earth is that?" So, um, thanks for talking us through and making it so clear. Mm. I'm thrilled that it had such great re- results for you and, uh, I look forward to hearing more about your clients' successes in the future.

[00:32:32] So thanks, Chantal. 

[00:32:33] Chantal: Oh, thank you so much for having me on, Sarah. It's really nice to talk to you.

[00:32:41] What strikes me most about RTT is how much of what holds us back was never really a conscious decision at all, just an old belief picked up long before we had any way to question it. I love that Chantal's approach isn't about digging through the past for its own sake, but actually getting to the root of the pattern quickly and then replacing it

[00:33:04] Sarah: rather than talking around and round for months on end. Thank you so much, Chantal, for such an open, generous conversation, including sharing her own journey with us. Until next time, take care of yourselves, and remember, there are many paths to wellness, and sometimes the quickest way through is asking not what happened to you, but what you came to believe because of it

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